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April 29, 2004
Lutheran, Catholic leaders
meet in Milwaukee
Tenth round of the U.S. Lutheran-Roman Catholic
dialogue takes place
By Candy Czernicki
Catholic Herald Staff
PRAYER SERVICE — Bishop Richard J. Sklba, left, is joined by Bishop Mark S. Hanson, presiding bishop of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, and Bishop Emeritus Charles Maahs of the Central States Synod of the ELCA at a prayer service April 23 at the Cathedral of St. John the Evangelist in Milwaukee. The prayer service was held as part of the 10th round of U.S. Lutheran-Roman Catholic Dialogue, which is co-chaired by Bishops Sklba and Maahs. (Catholic Herald photo by Sam Lucero)
WAUWATOSA — Results of the 10th round of dialogue between the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America and the Roman Catholic Church were announced at Redemption Lutheran Church on Thursday, April 22. Auxiliary Bishop Richard J. Sklba is the dialogue’s co-chair.

The 10th round, “The Church as Koinonia of Salvation: Its Structures and Ministries,” began in 1998. Previous rounds included discussions of Mary and the saints, Eucharist, papal primacy, baptism, teaching authority, Scripture and tradition, justification by faith, and the Nicene Creed.

“ Koinonia” is an anglicized Greek word variously translated as “fellowship, partnership, a close mutual relationship, sharing in, contribution, or gift.”

According to John Reumann, a Lutheran member of the dialogue, the ecumenical movement as it now stands began in the early 20th century. Before reaching out to other faith traditions, the various Lutheran churches talked among themselves.

But when it came time to start talking to Catholics, “what do you talk about when you’ve been estranged for centuries?” Reumann asked. His answer was, “Things you can agree on.” He said recently the dialogues have been geared toward items which are “church-dividing,” such as the roles of the presbyterate and episcopacy in each tradition.

Susan Wood, professor at St. John’s University in Collegeville, Minn., said people tend to believe “ecumenical dialogue (involves) ‘lowest common denominator’ Lutheranism or Roman Catholicism. ... (but) in working toward church unity, the challenge is to find a common lens that bypasses old differences. In the past, things have been seen through juridical eyes — that didn’t get us very far.”

Wood offered a pyramid of church as communion, starting from the bottom, with the local congregation. The role of the pastor, she said, is to keep the congregation in unity.

The congregation, in turn, belongs to a regional structure, such as a synod (for Lutherans) or a diocese (for Catholics). While Lutherans have no equivalent to the Catholics’ national structure, such as the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, both have worldwide structures — the Lutheran World Federation, defined as a communion of churches, and the Catholic “universal church.” According to Wood, there is a level of communion at each of these levels.

The traditions part ways on the importance of the local church. For Lutherans, Wood said, “the congregation is considered to have the fullness of church.” In Catholicism, the diocese is the basic unit of church.

“ Lutherans don’t have a well-developed theology of the episcopacy, and Catholics don’t have one of the parish,” she said. Yet while “every congregation must be in relationship with other congregations,” Wood said, “a diocese can’t be church by itself.” She quoted a 1982 World Council of Churches document which stated “all authority must be communal, personal, and collegial.”

Wood summed up one of the dialogue’s recommendations by saying that “ever since Vatican II, task forces have acknowledged that the Lord’s Supper has the power to engender light and grace. The idea that it is not valid without (the benefit of) orders is not true. Our ecclesial communions are in real but imperfect communion. We share baptism, Scripture, the early church, pre-division.

“ What this dialogue has done is say, ‘if the churches are in imperfect union, then so are the ministers. Let’s do what we can together.’”

Michael Root, a Lutheran seminary professor, said while some might say that the 10th round of dialogue “deals with internal structures rather than the needs of the real world,” it was changed by the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification that was signed by the Lutheran World Federation and the Vatican on Reformation Sunday, Oct. 31, 1999. Reformation Sunday, for Lutherans, is celebrated on the Sunday closest to Oct. 31, the date in 1517 that Martin Luther nailed his 95 theses, or differences with Catholicism, to the door of the Catholic church in Wittenberg, Germany.

“ How does a Christian stand before a righteous God? That was the issue of the Reformation,” Root said. “Now this need no longer divide Lutherans and Catholics.” Root added “the remaining problems deal with church ministry and authority. Lutherans and Roman Catholics can’t share Eucharist because of differences over appropriate eucharistic ministers. The ministry issue is at the heart of what divides Lutherans and Roman Catholics nationally and internationally.”

“ These questions seem trivial,” Root said, “lower in the hierarchy of truths, not essential to the faith yet in some ways more difficult. Not being able to solve it is more of a rub. Ecumenism is about relationships between churches — concrete communities, real people. Structural questions about persons and the actions they undertake — it requires a certain minimum agreement about structure. It’s where the ecumenical rubber meets the institutional road.” According to Root, past dialogues have tried to deal with ministry questions in terms of church structures, “which doesn’t contradict the teachings of either church, but does challenge them.”

Root echoed Wood in saying that both sides have “tended to be one-sided. Roman Catholic dialogue tends to have unreality when talking about the local church. Lutheranism has the opposite problem - a thin theology of ministry beyond the local parish. Instead of either/or, we should see complementarity between local and regional (structures). ... The new goal is don’t ask each other to say something positive about the other, but recognize ways each has wounded each other and set ourselves about recognizing woundedness this division has brought to both of us.”

Bishop emeritus Charles Maahs of the Central States Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, the dialogue’s co-chair, said at a joint celebration and worship service on Friday, April 23, that the adoption of the document on Friday morning “really is kind of a culmination. In many ways, (it is) building on the foundation of the work that has been done in the past by theologians and scholars of both of our communions. Bishop (Mark Hanson, presiding bishop of the ELCA) mentioned the friendships that have developed. Those who work so closely together are kind of a model of the way in which the two faiths can celebrate our oneness in Christ and our understanding of the Gospel which is so similar.”

Bishop emeritus Maahs said the next step in the dialogue is to recommend a topic for the 11th round to both traditions’ advisory boards, but “we’re still in the process of working on that right now. I can’t tell you what that might be.”

Sam Lucero contributed to this report.
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